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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/257204-project-error-handling/topic/Meeting%202021-07-19/near/246473631" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Jane Lusby <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/257204-project-error-handling/topic/Meeting.202021-07-19.html#246473631">(Jul 19 2021 at 15:54)</a>:</h4>
<p>I just realized that the cross team collaboration funtimes and the error handling project group meeting are scheduled at the same time</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/257204-project-error-handling/topic/Meeting%202021-07-19/near/246473684" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Jane Lusby <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/257204-project-error-handling/topic/Meeting.202021-07-19.html#246473684">(Jul 19 2021 at 15:54)</a>:</h4>
<p>so I'd like to reschedule our regular meeting to make sure it doesn't collide again in the future</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/257204-project-error-handling/topic/Meeting%202021-07-19/near/246473801" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Jane Lusby <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/257204-project-error-handling/topic/Meeting.202021-07-19.html#246473801">(Jul 19 2021 at 15:55)</a>:</h4>
<p>for now I think we should bump it back by 3 hours, to make room for the CTCFT and social hour. If people can't make that time this week that's fine, we can do this meeting async and figure out a new time that works for everyone in the next two weeks.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/257204-project-error-handling/topic/Meeting%202021-07-19/near/246473896" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Charles Ellis O&#x27;Riley Jr. <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/257204-project-error-handling/topic/Meeting.202021-07-19.html#246473896">(Jul 19 2021 at 15:56)</a>:</h4>
<p><span aria-label="call me" class="emoji emoji-1f919" role="img" title="call me">:call_me:</span></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/257204-project-error-handling/topic/Meeting%202021-07-19/near/246474076" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Jane Lusby <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/257204-project-error-handling/topic/Meeting.202021-07-19.html#246474076">(Jul 19 2021 at 15:57)</a>:</h4>
<p>so todays meeting is going to be at <time datetime="2021-07-19T22:00:00Z">2021-07-19T15:00:00-07:00</time></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/257204-project-error-handling/topic/Meeting%202021-07-19/near/246474299" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Jane Lusby <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/257204-project-error-handling/topic/Meeting.202021-07-19.html#246474299">(Jul 19 2021 at 15:59)</a>:</h4>
<p>Agenda: <a href="https://hackmd.io/@rust-libs/H1-LZXmR_">https://hackmd.io/@rust-libs/H1-LZXmR_</a></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/257204-project-error-handling/topic/Meeting%202021-07-19/near/246476851" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Jane Lusby <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/257204-project-error-handling/topic/Meeting.202021-07-19.html#246476851">(Jul 19 2021 at 16:19)</a>:</h4>
<p>Also, this week I've started setting up the libs-team agenda generator to work for the error handling project group</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/257204-project-error-handling/topic/Meeting%202021-07-19/near/246476915" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Jane Lusby <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/257204-project-error-handling/topic/Meeting.202021-07-19.html#246476915">(Jul 19 2021 at 16:19)</a>:</h4>
<p>gonna need some tweeks to get it to work for us properly since we don't have all the triage stuff setup any much/any tagging in our project-error-handling repo but for now it does a good job of pulling in issues from the <code>rust-lang/rust</code> repo</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/257204-project-error-handling/topic/Meeting%202021-07-19/near/246497140" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Senyo Simpson <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/257204-project-error-handling/topic/Meeting.202021-07-19.html#246497140">(Jul 19 2021 at 18:55)</a>:</h4>
<p>Might miss the meeting (it'll be at 12am my side). From my side: have checked through the PR and looked through comments. <span class="user-mention" data-user-id="220273">@Jane Lusby</span> will send you a message about next steps w.r.t to closing it. In the meantime, going to start fleshing the intro</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/257204-project-error-handling/topic/Meeting%202021-07-19/near/246510905" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Sean Chen (he/him) <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/257204-project-error-handling/topic/Meeting.202021-07-19.html#246510905">(Jul 19 2021 at 20:40)</a>:</h4>
<p>I'm also not going to be able to make that time. I'm going to be looking through Jane's <a href="https://github.com/yaahc/trial-and-error">trial-and-error</a> crate, documenting it and cleaning it up so that I can continue working on the error reporter RFC, using the crate as an example.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/257204-project-error-handling/topic/Meeting%202021-07-19/near/246510994" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Jane Lusby <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/257204-project-error-handling/topic/Meeting.202021-07-19.html#246510994">(Jul 19 2021 at 20:41)</a>:</h4>
<p>let's just "cancel" the meeting time and do the meeting full async then</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/257204-project-error-handling/topic/Meeting%202021-07-19/near/246511015" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Jane Lusby <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/257204-project-error-handling/topic/Meeting.202021-07-19.html#246511015">(Jul 19 2021 at 20:41)</a>:</h4>
<p>I'll drop my status updates once the social hour is finished</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/257204-project-error-handling/topic/Meeting%202021-07-19/near/246514836" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Jane Lusby <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/257204-project-error-handling/topic/Meeting.202021-07-19.html#246514836">(Jul 19 2021 at 21:06)</a>:</h4>
<p>okay so the error in core work is progressing nicely. I'm nearing completion of the negative trait impl coherence integration work in the compiler</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/257204-project-error-handling/topic/Meeting%202021-07-19/near/246515112" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Jane Lusby <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/257204-project-error-handling/topic/Meeting.202021-07-19.html#246515112">(Jul 19 2021 at 21:07)</a>:</h4>
<p>and we seem to have increased interest on the backtrace work, so hopefully someone will be picking up the design / research work there to help push it over the finish line.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/257204-project-error-handling/topic/Meeting%202021-07-19/near/246515138" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Jane Lusby <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/257204-project-error-handling/topic/Meeting.202021-07-19.html#246515138">(Jul 19 2021 at 21:07)</a>:</h4>
<p>once those two are done we may be in a position to move <code>Error</code> into core</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/257204-project-error-handling/topic/Meeting%202021-07-19/near/246515289" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Jane Lusby <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/257204-project-error-handling/topic/Meeting.202021-07-19.html#246515289">(Jul 19 2021 at 21:08)</a>:</h4>
<p>the dyno RFC is back in our court so I need to find someone who feels confident writing up that RFC or barring that I will eventually write that RFC myself.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/257204-project-error-handling/topic/Meeting%202021-07-19/near/246515325" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Jane Lusby <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/257204-project-error-handling/topic/Meeting.202021-07-19.html#246515325">(Jul 19 2021 at 21:08)</a>:</h4>
<p>for now it may end up being a blocker on the backtrace stuff but that is uncertain</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/257204-project-error-handling/topic/Meeting%202021-07-19/near/246515627" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Jane Lusby <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/257204-project-error-handling/topic/Meeting.202021-07-19.html#246515627">(Jul 19 2021 at 21:09)</a>:</h4>
<p>iirc <span class="user-mention" data-user-id="344196">@Jakub Duchniewicz</span> merged the backtrace formatting PR so we might be able to close or fork this issue: <a href="https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/issues/65280">https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/issues/65280</a></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/257204-project-error-handling/topic/Meeting%202021-07-19/near/246515710" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Jane Lusby <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/257204-project-error-handling/topic/Meeting.202021-07-19.html#246515710">(Jul 19 2021 at 21:10)</a>:</h4>
<p>since all the important blockers in it should be resolved now afaik</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/257204-project-error-handling/topic/Meeting%202021-07-19/near/246515916" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Jane Lusby <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/257204-project-error-handling/topic/Meeting.202021-07-19.html#246515916">(Jul 19 2021 at 21:11)</a>:</h4>
<p>I've nominated <a href="https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/issues/79561">https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/issues/79561</a> for libs API discussion because I expect we will want to just not change that behavior and close the issue</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/257204-project-error-handling/topic/Meeting%202021-07-19/near/246515926" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Jane Lusby <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/257204-project-error-handling/topic/Meeting.202021-07-19.html#246515926">(Jul 19 2021 at 21:11)</a>:</h4>
<p>but I don't think the project group can make that decision itself</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/257204-project-error-handling/topic/Meeting%202021-07-19/near/246526244" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Nick Cameron <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/257204-project-error-handling/topic/Meeting.202021-07-19.html#246526244">(Jul 19 2021 at 23:05)</a>:</h4>
<p>what sis the "dyno RFC"?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/257204-project-error-handling/topic/Meeting%202021-07-19/near/246527234" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Jane Lusby <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/257204-project-error-handling/topic/Meeting.202021-07-19.html#246527234">(Jul 19 2021 at 23:18)</a>:</h4>
<p>The Dyno rfc is the subset of the generic member access RFC needed for the type erasure</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/257204-project-error-handling/topic/Meeting%202021-07-19/near/246527240" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Jane Lusby <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/257204-project-error-handling/topic/Meeting.202021-07-19.html#246527240">(Jul 19 2021 at 23:18)</a>:</h4>
<p>Based on nika's Dyno craye</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/257204-project-error-handling/topic/Meeting%202021-07-19/near/246527244" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Jane Lusby <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/257204-project-error-handling/topic/Meeting.202021-07-19.html#246527244">(Jul 19 2021 at 23:18)</a>:</h4>
<p>Crate</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/257204-project-error-handling/topic/Meeting%202021-07-19/near/246527254" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Jane Lusby <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/257204-project-error-handling/topic/Meeting.202021-07-19.html#246527254">(Jul 19 2021 at 23:18)</a>:</h4>
<p><a href="https://docs.rs/dyno">https://docs.rs/dyno</a></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/257204-project-error-handling/topic/Meeting%202021-07-19/near/246527502" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Nick Cameron <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/257204-project-error-handling/topic/Meeting.202021-07-19.html#246527502">(Jul 19 2021 at 23:22)</a>:</h4>
<p>Ah, got it, thanks!</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/257204-project-error-handling/topic/Meeting%202021-07-19/near/246556585" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Jakub Duchniewicz <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/257204-project-error-handling/topic/Meeting.202021-07-19.html#246556585">(Jul 20 2021 at 08:13)</a>:</h4>
<p>Hi, the time was also slightly too late for me. <span class="user-mention" data-user-id="220273">@Jane Lusby</span>  you are right, I closed the backtrace formatting PR, it seems like the issue is resolved now.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/257204-project-error-handling/topic/Meeting%202021-07-19/near/246556668" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Jakub Duchniewicz <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/257204-project-error-handling/topic/Meeting.202021-07-19.html#246556668">(Jul 20 2021 at 08:14)</a>:</h4>
<p>As for me, I did not have time to work on the <code>Backtrace</code> in <code>core</code> RFC and I see a <em>BIG</em> interest in this topic so I will be catching up today on your discussions.</p>



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